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Use correct "% of Vote" column denominator in summary.csv #851
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Unfortunately, with IRV “first round determines threshold” allows for the possibility that no one reaches the threshold when there are many exhausted ballots, and therefore a candidate who thinks they might lose might strategize and campaign against ranking more than themselves, hoping this might result in a new election. The only way to avoid this is to pair this with another rule, “the candidate with the most votes in the final round is the winner”, even if that’s not the first-round threshold. Is that always assumed to be the case with our tabulator? (It’s automatically true when the threshold varies by round, because whoever has a majority also has the most votes.)
No matter what, this rule will result in a less honest reflection of the voters, who should always be encouraged to rank as many candidates as they feel up to.
It’s a different situation with STV, where you know that many candidates will reach the much lower first-round threshold, except, commonly, for the last seat.
… On Jun 18, 2024 11:23 AM, at 11:23 AM, Mathew Ruberg ***@***.***> wrote:
I think it should also use Round 1 Active Ballots as the denominator when "First Round Determines Threshold" is checked for IRV
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Confirming that with RCVRC HQ. I'll update the original ticket when a decision is made.
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Yep, in IRV we gotta elect someone! So if it comes down to the final two it will select the candidate with the most votes. That will show in the |
Noting for posterity once this has been fixed STV
IRV w/ first round determines threshold
IRV
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There are two changes necessary. The first is for all STV multi-winner elections. The second is for IRV elections when
First Round Determines Threshold
is set.STV Multi-Winner Elections
RCTab Version 1.3.999
Config vmsg surplus transfer test.json
CVR vmwg cvr.xlsx
summary.csv is in this sheet looking at the
[1.3.999] summary.csv
tabWhat Happened
Using the VMSG surplus transfer multi-winner contest in this sheet. Looking at the
[1.3.999] summary.csv
tab you can see the% of Vote
columns use the current round Active Ballots as the denominator. For example Candidate C has 8 votes in both Round 2 and Round 3, but their% of Vote
jumps in round 3 because one ballot goes inactive.What Should Happen
All STV contests should use the Round 1 Active Ballots count as the denominator for the
% of Vote
columns in each round. Candidates elected after the first candidate need to reach the same amount of support as the first. The% of Vote (FIXED)
columns highlighted in green have examples of what we would expect for Rounds 2 and 3.IRV w/ First Round Determines Threshold
RCTab Version 1.3.999
Config first round threshold 4 candidates first round threshold selected.json
CVR CSV CVRs - irv first round threshold 4 candidates.csv
summary.csv here
The first tab in the summary spreadsheet shows a contest with
First Round Determines Threshold
selected. For IRV contests, whenFirst Round Determines Threshold
is set to true we are currently using the current round active ballots for the% of Vote
denominator. WhenFirst Round Determines Threshold
is set we should use the First Round active ballots as the denominator. I created the% of vote (FIXED)
columns highlighted in green to show what we would expect.The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: