«shea» (also: muo, cıa)

[lynn]

2019-06-14

[6:13 PM] taq: What is the difference between shea and cia? Is shea a more specific cia e.g. muo cia?
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[6:17 PM] Hoemaı: shea means empty, cia means lacks. I don't remember what I was thinking with the x2 of shea
[6:17 PM] Hoemaı: Lojban's {kunti} has "hollow of material x2"
[6:17 PM] Hoemaı: An empty glass still contains air
[6:18 PM] taq: mm. If shea were an antonym of heq, we could get rid of heqshea. That compound right there led me to believe that shea was c1 and not cc like heq
[6:18 PM] Hoemaı: You could probably explain it in terms of cia + nie or cia + heq
[6:19 PM] taq: I seeth
[6:19 PM] Hoemaı: heqshea is interesting
[6:19 PM] Hoemaı: if only there were another compound
[6:20 PM] Hoemaı: I assume that shea is not limited to spatial emptiness
[6:20 PM] Hoemaı: so heqshea is for empty containers
[6:21 PM] taq: Ah so shea is indeed cc but its semantics are like that of siao in that the second place is just broad in what it can accept
[6:22 PM] Hoemaı: c 1 or c 2 even
[6:22 PM] Hoemaı: ( c 2 is not at thing, but I mean that it might be a relation)
[6:22 PM] Hoemaı: (is it a thing?)
[6:23 PM] taq: (ɯɯɯɥ)
[6:23 PM] Hoemaı: %serial jeo cheo
[6:23 PM] nuogaı: <[c 2] (jẻo A chêo ja dó B)>
[6:23 PM] Hoemaı: It is
[6:23 PM] Hoemaı: It would be like mia
[6:24 PM] taq: Alright. Then it is a lot different than I originally thought

2021-08-15

[8:41 PM] Hoaqgıo: I think actually that shea might be more appropriate than cia
[8:41 PM] Hoaqgıo: I see it as parallel to mia and hiaq while I see cia as just bu with extra flavor
[8:44 PM] xorxes: Doesn't shea go with muo? Why not define cia in the way you define mia and hiaq instead?
[8:44 PM] Hoaqgıo: %1 cia
[8:44 PM] nuogaı: (1–1/267) cıa ❦ predicate: ‘lack’; ▯ lacks property ▯.
[8:44 PM] Hoaqgıo: Because of the phrasing
[8:45 PM] Hoaqgıo: %1 heqshea
[8:45 PM] nuogaı: (1–1/2) heqshēa ❦ predicate: ‘empty’; ▯ is empty.
[8:45 PM] Hoaqgıo: And because of this
[8:45 PM] Hoaqgıo: Which isn't damming at all but which suggested to me that heqshea == shea heq

Question

predicate: ‘empty’; ◌ is empty in aspect ◌.

Does shea mean ___ doesn't ___ anything (with possible "extra flavor" of the kinda that distinguishes cıa from bu)?

So, is it to "none" as hıaq is to "few" and mıa is to "many"? What is that extra flavor, anyway?

This seems to be several speakers's understanding, but dictionary.json says c 1.

Otherwise, it might be like muo which is the other word that has "in aspect ___" in its official definition. What is an aspect? I take muo to mean something like ___ completely/fully satisfies ___ (couldn't satisfy it any more than it does), so maybe shea is the opposite of that?