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New Eley-Rideal families for RMG-database #63

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mazeau opened this issue Feb 21, 2019 · 6 comments
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New Eley-Rideal families for RMG-database #63

mazeau opened this issue Feb 21, 2019 · 6 comments

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@mazeau
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mazeau commented Feb 21, 2019

I can't figure out how to open up an issue on the RMG-database so I just put it here instead

Now that Eley-Rideal is a little added, we came across some other families to potentially add to help us deal with bidentate/multidentate species.

Have just added:

1 EleyRideal_H_addition_multiple_bond

2   3=4        3-4-2
|        <=>   |      
X              X

where 4=3 can be a double, triple, or quadruple bond, and 2 is an H atom.

  • template and recipe
  • kinetics

Some potential families to add are:

2

1  + 2     1-2
||     <=> | 
X          X

where 2 is a radical, probably an H.

Would be good to have

  • template and recipe
  • kinetics

3

1=2   + 3      3-1-2
|          <=>   | |
X X              X X

where 3 is a radical, probably a hydrogen or something?

Probably less likely than number 2, above.
If you had that starting point, it would probably just go like this instead:

1=2            1-2
|        <=>  || |
X X            X X

4

                 4
                 |
1-2=3  + 4     1-2-3
|          <=> |   |
X   X          X   X

where 2=3 can be a double or triple bond. 4 is probably an H

Probably a similar story to number 3. It's overall 3rd order (two surface sites and a gas phase species)

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                 4
                 |
1-2=3  + 4     1-2-3
|          <=> | |
X X            X X

where 2=3 can be a double or triple bond. 4 is probably an H

Probably a similar story to number 3. It's overall 3rd order (two surface sites and a gas phase species)

6

2
|
1 + 3• <=>  1 + 3-2
|          ||
X           X

3 is a radical, abstracts 2.
eg. 1 is *CH2, 3 is CH3, 2 is H, you get methane and *=CH2

Seems reasonable. Not unlike H abstraction in gas phase.

Would be good to have

  • template and recipe
  • kinetics

7

2
||
1 + 3• <=>  1  + 3-2•
|          |||
X           X

Not going to work.
because you have to break a double bond (1=2),
and 2 ends up unhappy.

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cfgoldsmith commented Feb 21, 2019

Great!
My thoughts are:
1st rxn, inserting 3-4 between 1-2: probably going to have a high barrier? It should happen, but probably not my first choice.
2cd rxn, dangling double falls flat: very important! I would do this one first. It touches on the other thread we have on pi- vs di-sigma.
3rd + 4th rxns: I think I'm missing something here, but it looks like it won't satisfy the octet rule for 2 in rxn3 or 3 in rxn4? Let's say that 1-2=3 are allyl, so that we have surface propene (X-CH2-CH=CH2). in rxn3, we have X-CH2-CH-CH2-X, so C2 is short one bond. Ditto C3 in the other case.
fifth rxn: if 2 is H, then yes, could be important. If 2 is some other functional group, probably less so. I would probably make this my number 2 choice. However, I would make one big difference. Radicals on surfaces aren't really much of a thing, definitely not for the bonding atom. I would remove the radical from X-1* in the product and instead increase the bond order, X=1.
6th rxn: seems less likely. I guess the idea is to have addition/isomerization/elimination, and not a single abstract step? probably hard to find decent data to parameterize that one.

@mazeau
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mazeau commented Feb 21, 2019

for the dangling double falls flat, I don't think that follows the octet rule either. I think it would have to be something like this:

1=2            3-1-2
|      + 3 <=>   | |
X X              X X

where 3 would be a hydrogen or something?

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rwest commented Feb 21, 2019

I edited your original post above, to add some numbers, as I was getting confused by the counting. Now maybe the other comments need editing so they correspond . Also, reading Franklin's first comment on reaction 1 had me (or him) confused if 1 is itself an X (as I now drew) or was adsorbed to an X.

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cfgoldsmith commented Feb 21, 2019

Thanks, that helps.
For Reaction 2, I was thinking of two different cases:

1=2                1-2
|    +        <=> || |
X    X             X X

which, with the bond order increase, does preserve the octet rule.
Then, additionally, the pi- to -di-sigma would be:

(1=2)            1-2
  :    +  <=>    | |
  X    X         X X

where (1=2) indicates a vdW structure

@mazeau
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mazeau commented Feb 21, 2019

I don't like those as much. My original meaning behind that one was to get benzene fully adsorbed to the surface and then hydrogenated and desorbed.

@rwest rwest changed the title New families for RMG-database New Eley-Rideal families for RMG-database Mar 11, 2019
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rwest commented Mar 11, 2019

Look for things by one of Norskov's students. An oral talk at AIChE a year or two ago. Probably published by now.

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