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Standard names: Propose new names for trace gases and aerosols for use in AerChemMIP2 and CMIP7 #214
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Thank you for your proposal. These terms will be added to the cfeditor (http://cfeditor.ceda.ac.uk/proposals/1) shortly. Your proposal will then be reviewed and commented on by the community and Standard Names moderator. |
Three more to add, if that's okay: Name: number_concentration_of_cloud_condensation_nuclei_at_0.2_percent_supersaturation_in_air Name: number_concentration_of_cloud_condensation_nuclei_at_1_percent_supersaturation_in_air Name: tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_ammonium_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_net_chemical_production |
Hi Fiona @fmoconnor, Thank you for your patience. I have now added your proposed names into the CF editor. I can see a potential issue with the name Your I will update again on this soon, but in the meantime if you have any further comments or questions feel free to add to the issue. Best wishes, |
Is there some way the |
Also, I wonder if |
I support Karl's suggestion. We have 8 existing names referring to |
@efisher008 @taylor13 @martinjuckes Thanks for your comments on the proposed standard name Another possibility is |
In response to comments by @taylor13 on the proposed names If there's agreement, I then suggest to remove the proposed names |
@fmoconnor : thanks for tackling the challenge of getting these concepts into CF. How about: These may be naive questions, but is 1 percent supersaturation the same as 101% relative humidity? Does it matter whether you are concerned about supersaturation over ice or water? |
A small point: we use the American spelling of |
@martinjuckes @JonathanGregory thanks both for your comments. I've just found that there exists the standard name |
@martinjuckes thanks for the questions on 1 percent supersaturation. Not naive at all. Just following up with the relevant community before I get back to you. Hope that's okay! |
Dear both I wasn't aware of If words are too long maybe we could after all use the symbol? We don't use chemical formulae for unexcited elements of natural composition or for compounds, but we do use atomic symbols for isotopes e.g. Best wishes Jonathan |
Dear Both, On reflection, my suggestion of How about |
If I understand what I've just read correctly, the "1" means "singlet", so we needn't say both. Google finds that the phrase "atomic singlet oxygen" is used in the literature for "O(1D)". Could we say |
Both, we typically refer to "O1D" as "O one D" or "O singlet D" or as an "excited singlet oxygen atom". So, I'm not sure that I like the suggestions of |
If you think |
We can, and probably we should, change |
Both |
Thanks both :) I'm going to check with my chemist friends and get back to you! |
@martinjuckes @JonathanGregory Having consulted with my chemist friends, we would like to propose Also, the reaction of O1D with H2O generates 2 hydroxyl (OH) radicals, i.e., O1D+H2O -> 2OH. They also suggested that we add some additional text to the metadata to be explicit that we want the diagnostic to take account of the factor of 2. Also, some older models may not include O1D, and may represent the production of OH differently (but with O1D implicit) - I'm going to propose some additional text to cover that case too. Here's my suggested update to the metadata: Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called "molarity", and is used in the construction "mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y", where X is a material constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as "nitrogen" or a phrase such as "nox_expressed_as_nitrogen". "tendency_of_X" means derivative of X with respect to time. The specification of a physical process by the phrase "due_to_" process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase. "Chemical production" means the result of all chemical reactions within the medium (here, atmosphere) that produce a certain amount of a particular species from the medium. The chemical formula for hydroxyl is OH. The chemical formula for atomic_singlet_oxygen is O1D. The chemical formula for water vapor is H2O. Here, the production of hydroxyl radical is equal to 2k[O1D][H2O], i.e., 2 hydroxyl radicals are formed from the reaction of O1D with H2O. For models that do not have O1D as a species, the production of hydroxyl radical may be represented differently but the chemical production should take account of the hydroxyl yield. |
That seems fine to me, @fmoconnor. I think the tendency of the mole concentration certainly refers to the rate at which hydroxyl is produced, not the rate at which the reactants are consumed, but there is no harm in spelling it out, as you have. Thanks. |
Hi Fiona @fmoconnor, I have updated the original name Did you manage to check with your colleagues regarding the supersaturation names and @martinjuckes question? Best regards, |
I am part of a separate discussion on cloud condensation nuclei (CCN) and wanted to ask for a clarification. I am not sure if this is the correct forum, but the dimensions play a role here. So the number_concentration_of_cloud_condensation_nuclei_in_air is 3D variable and when used with an additional scalar coordinate the variable would be 5D (3D+scalar+time), which seems to be a problem for CDO. Documentation for CDO states it only supports variables upto 4 dimensions, which would make the CCN variables unusable. How the extra dimension should be tackled? |
Section 5.7 of the conventions states:
So the array for storing the variable can be 4D and the scalar dimension recorded using the |
Ah that was my misunderstanding then. Different CCNs will just have different scalar dimension and separate physical parameters. |
Hi Fiona @fmoconnor I see that some of your proposals have received quite a lot of discussion, while others have not been commented on. The following summarises the current status of all the names in this issue. For ease of reference I have numbered them 1-11 according to the order they were first proposed. Many of the names are close to acceptance, although a few need further attention. In particular, please could you take a look at my comments on 4, 7, 8, 9 and 10. Any names that are fully agreed and accepted by 4th November will be included in the next update of the standard name table, which is planned for 11th-12th November.
The name and units look fine. With the addition of one sentence about nitrate at the end of the description, I think this name is ready to be accepted. If no further comments are received in the next seven days, this name will be accepted for publication in the standard name table.
This name has been discussed in detail and consensus has been reached (thank you @JonathanGregory @martinjuckes @efisher008). If no further comments are received in the next seven days, this name will be accepted for publication in the standard name table. For consistency, I will also make the existing name 'photolysis_rate_of_ozone_to_1D_oxygen_atom' into an alias for photolysis_rate_of_ozone_to_atomic_singlet_oxygen as suggested by @JonathanGregory. This in turn necessitates updating the description of the existing name photolysis_rate_of_ozone. These changes will also be accepted for publication if no further comments are received in the next seven days.
The name, units and description are all fine. If no further comments are received in the next seven days, this name will be accepted for publication in the standard name table.
A quantity described as a tendency_of_atmosphere_moles should have units of mol s-1. However, the units and description in the proposal make me think that the name should be
The name, units and description are all fine. If no further comments are received in the next seven days, this name will be accepted for publication in the standard name table.
The name and units look fine. I have suggested some modifications to the description text for consistency with existing net_chemical_production standard names, but I don't think these change the meaning in any way. If no further comments are received in the next seven days, this name will be accepted for publication in the standard name table.
A quantity described as a tendency_of_atmosphere_moles should have units of mol s-1. However, the units and description in the proposal make me think that the name should be
As with proposal 7, a quantity described as a tendency_of_atmosphere_moles should have units of mol s-1. The units and description suggest the name should be
There remains a question as to whether the existing name
There remains a question as to whether the existing name Whatever the conclusion on the equivalence (or not) of supersaturation and relative humidity, proposals 9 and 10 should be combined into a single standard name and associated with an appropriate coordinate variable rather than containing numerical values.
The name and units look fine. I have suggested some minor amendments to the description text for consistency with existing net_chemical_production standard names. If no further comments are received in the next seven days, this name will be accepted for publication in the standard name table. Best wishes, |
regarding 3: There exist the following similar quantities (all with canonical units of kg m-2 s-1): And there are additional surface mass fluxes of methane but described with different words (again in canonical units of kg m-2 s-1) : All but the first of these tendencies could probably be equivalently described as "surface_upward_mass_fluxes", so my question is why do we describe some methane emissions as surface fluxes and others as tendencies of atmosphere mass content? For the new name proposed |
Regarding standard names 9 & 10, for other similarly-constructed names, the term "threshold" has been used, but that doesn't seem right here. We could say |
I agree with Alison's comment
Along the lines of what Karl said, I'd suggest |
Jonathan's variant is better because, as I now seem to recall, it is more consistent with other names (i.e.., replace "specified" with "reference") |
Thank you for your helpful comments. Some of the names can now be accepted. This is an updated summary of all the proposals. The following names have not received any further comments in the last seven days and are now accepted for publication in the standard name table: The following names are still under discussion. (9) and (10) @fmoconnor would you be okay to follow Jonathan and Karl's suggestion of (3) It is perhaps worth noting that, were we to try rationalising all the surface_Xward_mass_flux and tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content names in the standard name table (not only for methane), it would be a large exercise requiring a lot of care and even then there may be some names we couldn't completely rationalise. It is something we could consider as a separate issue, as it is beyond the scope of the current CMIP7 proposals. I agree that for the current proposal we could do as you suggest:
This would be equivalent to the proposed name. Personally, I don't have a strong view on which approach to take and would be happy to go with the majority view. Best wishes, |
Dear Karl and Alison I suppose that the surface flux of a species into the atmosphere due to process X is not necessarily equal to the tendency of the atmosphere mass content of the species due to process X because the species is transported within the atmosphere. The two quantities would have the same global integral without being equal locally if the species is conserved. For example, consider the extreme case where the atmosphere constantly and instantaneously mixes methane so that its concentration is the same everywhere all the time. For a surface flux of any given size, wherever it occurs, the atmosphere content will have the same geographically uniform tendency. In addition, if the species is not conserved, because it's chemically reactive or removed by some physical process, a change in surface flux would not necessarily equal the change in tendency of content, even in the global integral. For example (only a vague example, since I don't know the details!), when biological production of oxygen first began, the tendency of the oxygen content of the atmosphere didn't go up much, because other substances exposed to the atmosphere were being oxidised (especially iron). Once that had finished, the oxygen content rose much more rapidly, even though the fluxes might not have changed. Jonathan |
Hi Jonathan, I think that when a species is not conserved, when we say "tendency due to surface emission", we should reserve this to the direct emission of the species into the atmosphere an not some precursor. So, we would not accept a standard name such as atmospheric tendency of CO2 due to methane emission or tendency of ozone due to surface N2O emissions, even thought fluxes of the precursors obviously impact the tendency of any eventual chemical product. Wouldn't this be true even if the chemical reaction was a quick one that removed a chemical almost immediately after entering the atmosphere? |
Hi Fiona @fmoconnor, I'm still a little unclear about what the phrase "the property refers to a specific supersaturation of 1 percent with respect to liquid water" means. Is it (a) about those particle which would act as cloud condensation nuclei if the ambient supersatutarion were to be 1% or is it (b) the concentration of cloud condensation nuclei in those parts of the cloud which have an ambient supersaturation of 1%? |
Thank you @martinjuckes @JonathanGregory @taylor13 @tommibergman @japamment for your comments on these proposals and for the detailed and constructive discussions about some of them! Apologies too for the radio silence on my part - I have another deadline to deal with! Prompted by @japamment, here are my remaining comments. For 4: For 7: I am happy to change the proposed name from For 8: As above, I am happy to change |
For 9 and 10: Firstly, to answer the question from @martinjuckes, I confirm that 1 percent supersaturation is the same as 101 percent relative humidity. As far as I understand, it represents the concentration of particles which would be large enough to act as cloud condensation nuclei if the ambient supersatutarion was 1%. Secondly, I am also happy to remove the numeric values from the proposed names (which, as suggested, can be specified as a scalar co-ordinate). It means that the corresponding variables will have different physical parameters in CMIP7 (these have been proposed already) but share the same CF name. That will work well. Finally, I haven't been able to get as much feedback from the AerChemMIP community as I would like on the actual names themselves. So, in the interest of timescales, I'm happy with the suggested name |
I see that there has been a lot of discussion about 3: Following the discussion between @taylor13 and @JonathanGregory, I want to make clear that this name refers to the direct emission of the species (methane in this case) into the atmosphere. I added the term I think I would prefer to stick with the name |
Dear Fiona @fmoconnor Thanks for considering all these discussions, and for your flexibility. Yes, I agree with your reasoning for preferring Best wishes Jonathan |
I'm also comfortable enough sticking with |
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On behalf of the Aerosol and Chemistry Model Intercomparison Project for CMIP7, I would like to propose standard names for a number of variables for which no standard name currently exists. These are as follows:
Name: atmosphere_absorption_optical_thickness_due_to_nitrate_ambient_aerosol_particles
Units: 1
Metadata: The optical thickness is the integral along the path of radiation of a volume scattering/absorption/attenuation coefficient. The radiative flux is reduced by a factor exp(-optical_thickness) on traversing the path. A coordinate variable of radiation_wavelength or radiation_frequency can be specified to indicate that the optical thickness applies at specific wavelengths or frequencies. "Absorption optical thickness" means that part of the atmosphere optical thickness that is caused by the absorption of incident radiation. "Aerosol" means the system of suspended liquid or solid particles in air (except cloud droplets) and their carrier gas, the air itself. "Ambient_aerosol" means that the aerosol is measured or modelled at the ambient state of pressure, temperature and relative humidity that exists in its immediate environment. "Ambient aerosol particles" are aerosol particles that have taken up ambient water through hygroscopic growth. The extent of hygroscopic growth depends on the relative humidity and the composition of the particles. To specify the relative humidity and temperature at which the quantity described by the standard name applies, provide scalar coordinate variables with standard names of "relative_humidity" and "air_temperature". The specification of a physical process by the phrase due_to_process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase.
Name: tendency_of_atmosphere_mole_concentration_of_oh_due_to_chemical_production_from_O1D+H2O
Units: mol m-3 s-1
Metadata: Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called "molarity", and is used in the construction "mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y", where X is a material constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as "nitrogen" or a phrase such as "nox_expressed_as_nitrogen". "tendency_of_X" means derivative of X with respect to time. The specification of a physical process by the phrase "due_to_" process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase. "Chemical production" means the result of all chemical reactions within the medium (here, atmosphere) that produce a certain amount of a particular species from the medium. The chemical formula for hydroxyl is OH.
Name: surface_net_upward_mass_flux_of_methane_due_to_emission_from_freshwater_lakes
Units: kg m-2 s-1
Metadata: The surface called "surface" means the lower boundary of the atmosphere. "Upward" indicates a vector component which is positive when directed upward (negative downward). In accordance with common usage in geophysical disciplines, "flux" implies per unit area, called "flux density" in physics. The chemical formula for methane is CH4. The mass is the total mass of the molecules. The phrase "tendency_of_X" means derivative of X with respect to time. The specification of a physical process by the phrase "due_to_" process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase. "Emission" means emission from a primary source located anywhere within the atmosphere, including at the lower boundary (i.e. the surface of the earth). "Emission" is a process entirely distinct from "re-emission" which is used in some standard names.
Name: tendency_of_atmosphere_moles_of_methane_due_to_chemical_destruction_by_hydroxyl
Units: mol m-3 s-1
Metadata: Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called "molarity", and is used in the construction "mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y", where X is a material constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as "nitrogen" or a phrase such as "nox_expressed_as_nitrogen". "tendency_of_X" means derivative of X with respect to time. The specification of a physical process by the phrase "due_to_" process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase. "Chemical destruction" means the result of all chemical reactions within the medium (here, atmosphere) that destroy a certain amount of a particular species from the medium. The chemical formula for methane is CH4. The chemical formula for hydroxyl is OH.
Name: surface_downward_mass_flux_of_methane_due_to_soil_biological_consumption
Units: kg m-2 s-1
Metadata: The surface called "surface" means the lower boundary of the atmosphere. "Downward" indicates a vector component which is positive when directed downward (negative upward). In accordance with common usage in geophysical disciplines, "flux" implies per unit area, called "flux density" in physics. The chemical formula for methane is CH4. The mass is the total mass of the molecules. The specification of a physical process by the phrase "due_to_" process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase.
Name: tendency_of_atmosphere_mole_concentration_of_ozone_due_to_net_chemical_production
Units: mol m-3 s-1
Metadata: Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called "molarity", and is used in the construction "mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y", where X is a material constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as "nitrogen" or a phrase such as "nox_expressed_as_nitrogen". "tendency_of_X" means derivative of X with respect to time. The specification of a physical process by the phrase "due_to_" process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase. "Net Chemical production" means the result of "Chemical Production" minus "Chemical Destruction". "Chemical Production" refers to all chemical reactions within the medium (here, atmosphere) that produce a certain amount of a particular species from the medium. "Chemical Destruction" is the result of all chemical reactions within the medium (here, atmosphere) that destroy a certain amount of a particular species. The chemical formula for ozone is O3. The IUPAC name for ozone is trioxygen.
Name: tendency_of_atmosphere_moles_of_molecular_hydrogen_due_to_chemical_production
Units: mol m-3 s-1
Metadata: Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called "molarity", and is used in the construction "mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y", where X is a material constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as "nitrogen" or a phrase such as "nox_expressed_as_nitrogen". "tendency_of_X" means derivative of X with respect to time. The specification of a physical process by the phrase "due_to_" process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase. "Chemical Production" refers to all chemical reactions within the medium (here, atmosphere) that produce a certain amount of a particular species from the medium. The chemical formula for molecular hydrogen is H2.
Name: tendency_of_atmosphere_moles_of_molecular_hydrogen_due_to_chemical_destruction
Units: mol m-3 s-1
Metadata: Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called "molarity", and is used in the construction "mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y", where X is a material constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as "nitrogen" or a phrase such as "nox_expressed_as_nitrogen". "tendency_of_X" means derivative of X with respect to time. The specification of a physical process by the phrase "due_to_" process means that the quantity named is a single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity named by omitting the phrase. "Chemical Destruction" refers to all chemical reactions within the medium (here, atmosphere) that destroys a certain amount of a particular species from the medium.
Thank you for considering our proposal.
Proposer's Name: Fiona O'Connor
Date: 29 August 2024
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