Large difference in ground temperature between the CLM5 and CLM 4.5 physics over the permafrost region. #1960
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Hi Adrien, Thanks for reaching out. I'm not that familiar with this part of the model, but reading Dave's paper it looks like the changes in snow density we're using in CLM5 are described here Hope that helps. |
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I agree with Will that I anticipate that the fresh snow density changes are
the most likely source of the difference. I'm not sure what to make of the
soil ice difference, though I think you need to be careful comparing ice
water content at different levels between CLM5 and CLM4.5 because the soil
layers changed.
There have been several conversations and paper threads that suggest that
perhaps the density is too high now, which is leading to less snow
insulation and cooler temperatures. My theory, supported somewhat by this
paper <https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/16/4201/2022/>, is that it is
possible that the bulk density is actually ok, but that the density profile
is incorrect. In particular, since CLM does not represent depth hoar,
which is common across much of the domain as far as I understand. If there
was a depth hoar layer within the snow pack, that could really increase the
insulation, but with perhaps not that much impact on the snow full column
density. That paper uses essentially a scaling factor to correct for this
problem, which is unsatisfying. To resolve this correctly, I guess we
would need a more advanced snow model that captures depth hoar, which as
far as I am aware does not exist in the context of a global model.
To resolve your situation at this point, my only suggestion is to (a) play
with the snow parameters to try to reduce the densification process or (b)
revert to CLM4.5 snow physics, which might produce overall poorer snow
density, but which might have better 'effective' density. If you do try
option (b), I would be curious to see what happens with the soil
temperatures, especially to try to confirm that there isn't any other
reason why the soil temperature differs between model versions.
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Yes, that -15.21 value is the global maximum difference between the
simulations.
If you have access to cheyenne the files are on disk here
/glade/p/cgd/tss/people/oleson/CLM_LAND_ONLY_RELEASE. I think the
organization of the files is pretty self evident, but reach out if you're
confused the particular cases you may be interested in.
Otherwise, see the data availability section of Dave's paper. I think we
also made these data available on the climate data gateway.
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@AdrienDams I'm curious if you have any new insights on this discussion? Specifically, as we think about calibrating CLM for CESM3 are there datasets to compare with, metrics to be considering, or anything to help us think about snow - soil temperature dynamics? Thanks in advance for your perspective on this. |
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Of note here Daniele Peano at CMCC noted we're seeing a "cold bias in the North Hemisphere high-latitude during our coupled 2000 simulations" and decided to revert the snow density options to the CLM4.5 ones:
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Heidrun Matthes and I have been working on a CTSM evaluation study over the Arctic for the past year. At the last Land Working Group meeting, I have shown that we observed a strong cold bias using CTSM compared to a series of in-situ and satellites observations.
Recently, we compare two runs using the same set-up (see below) but with two different physics: the default one with CLM5, and another one with CLM4.5 physics (by changing the compset).
The difference between these two runs shows that the CLM5 run is significantly colder over Siberia and the Eastern Canadian Peninsula than CLM4.5. The two figures below show the difference in ground temperature at 1m between the two runs in (Fig. 1) January and (Fig. 2) July for the mean period 1980-2021. The blue colours mean that the default run (CLM5) is colder.
At first we thought that it was a difference in the snow representation as it was significantly improved in CLM5. However, the snow representation between these two runs is very similar (fig. 3 is January only). Blue colours mean the CLM5 snow depth is lower.
The most significant difference we found between those two runs is in their soil water content, especially the soil ice below (fig. 4 is January only). I can also provide volumetric soil water and soil liquid water if needed. Blue colours mean the CLM5 soil ice content is lower.
Our question is simply how can we explain this difference? Have any of you encountered this? Do you have any recommendations for us to resolve this issue?
Model set-up:
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