Banlance of culture
09/15/2010
Blogging and an au courant Beijing Consensus
From Tom Friedman’s NYT op-ed yesterday:
“China for the first time has a public sphere to discuss everything affecting Chinese citizens,” explained Hu Yong, a blogosphere expert at Peking University. “Under traditional media, only elite people had a voice, but the Internet changed that.” He added, “We now have a transnational media. It is the whole society talking, so people from various regions of China can discuss now when something happens in a remote village — and the news spreads everywhere.” But this Internet world “is more populist and nationalistic,” he continued. “Many years of education that our enemies are trying to keep us down has produced a whole generation of young people whose thinking is like this, and they now have a whole Internet to express it.”
While a more nationalistic perspective is inevitable to a certain degree during a country’s economic and social progression, we should also keep in mind that China’s younger generation is vastly more educated and globally minded than their elders. And, though free speech rights in China are still – for the most part – culturally opposed to what many of us are used to in the West (and this includes communication on the Internet), the untested newness of the “Internet factor” is perhaps what is most intriguing as we experience an au courant Beijing Consensus develop.
Posted at 09:02 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/opinion/15friedman.html?_r=1
Readers’ Comments
Rui
Victoria, BC
September 15th, 2010
10:29 am
“a whole generation of Chinese schooled by the government on the notion that the U.S. and the West want to keep China down”
Don’t be too eager to blame this belief on CPP propaganda. First of all, Chinese people nowadays can often read English and find any opinion they want on the Internet, and are loath to believe anything the Communist party says and admire the West. But the Western media and blogosphere in general are making it hard to refute this conclusion. Americans can be just as nationalistic as anyone, just witness the recent anti-Muslim protests. Secondly, I am completely educated in the West and even I believe the US and the West want to keep China down. Anyone who often reads English news on China should see my point, especially Foreign Policy. Everything is tainted by their overblown fears, which is a shame, because I think Chinese are inclined to like America. The US has China completely surrounded, has hundreds of military bases worldwide, has been continuously starting wars for decades, and still thinks China, who has not fought anybody since 1979, is the aggressive one. Basically, no one but the US is allowed to pursue their national interests. Some Americans are determined to look into the future and see an enemy in China. Wish hard enough and it might come true.
Johnny Aiello
Philadelphia
September 15th, 2010
10:32 am
Tom did not mention his “Cyber Tribe” impact—the huge Chinese diaspora, much more pro-American than the Chinese-in-China blogosphere. Within the next few years the biggest tug-of-war for China’s soul will be fought between the international host-nation Chinese (diaspora) and the origin-nation Chinese (China). In the coming age of “Global Cultures,” these battles between host-diasporas and origin-nations will be the real challenge of what each culture will represent deep into the 21st century. Some cultures will be tailor-made for the International stage as Global Cultures, some not. Since Italians invented the Global stage, look to them to have a sparkling new 21st century Renaissance! China will again have its Marco Polo.
EXPATRIATE AMERICAN
TIEN SHAN MOUNTAINS, KYRGYZSTAN
September 15th, 2010
9:38 am
No, Friedman, China still controls the people and their is little or no free speech.
There is no freedom of Religion, no right to bear arms etc. etc.
China may have many new skyscrapers that enthrall you and others—but the Government is Militantly against Real Freedom.
ecs
New York, N.Y.
September 15th, 2010
9:40 am
Sooner or later, China is going to demand regional hegemony. The Middle Kingdom shall rise again. The United States needs to seriously start thinking about what it’s really going to do when that day comes. When push comes to shove, would we really defend Taiwan all the way? Will we fight, or will we acquiesce like Great Britain acquiesced to the United States over control of the Western Hemisphere in the 1890s?
Jake Wagner
Santa Barbara, CA
September 15th, 2010
10:11 am
According to Plato’s Republic, the best form of government was not democracy, but a tyranny ruled by a benevolent philosopher king. The idea behind this was that in a democracy, the people as a whole usually don’t make terribly good decisions for themselves.
Mao Zedong was a disaster, but he was followed by a series of increasingly capable Chinese leaders, Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin and finally Hu Jintao, the current leader. The last two of these were trained as engineers, not as lawyers or community organizers. Chinese leaders made many decisions that stepped away from communism towards capitalism, and would have been unpopular if put to a vote. Consider the one-child policy for example. Yet these decisions have helped China prosper in the modern age.
Meanwhile the world’s most prosperous democracy has made a series of very bad decisions, many of them wildly popular with an electorate which becomes more and more poorly informed as time goes on. The US invasion of Iraq and the deregulation of US financial markets are two decisions with disastrous consequences which come to mind. Even now, neither Congress nor the president has the integrity to face genuine problems realistically. For example, we need to raise taxes to bring the looming national debt under control, as well as provide a much better safety net for America’s poor. We need to control illegal immigration, and push Mexico to take responsibility for its own poor. We need to achieve zero population growth so that we can live within the constraints imposed by a finite planet, and so forth.
Plato suggested that democracy was inherently unstable, and that instability is becoming all to apparent within the US. Meanwhile, if Friedman is right, the internet may have the opposite effect of making China more democratic, and ending its period in which Chinese decisions were made by better informed but benevolent leaders. The point is that in China this is not necessarily an improvement, as the American experience demonstrates. Nothing lasts forever. But although America’s badly functioning democracy dooms it to a period of decline, there is no guarantee that China will replace it as the dominant world power.
FH
Tokushima, Japan
September 15th, 2010
10:27 am
Living in Japan for nearly a decade, I am well aware of the imperialistic trends that dominate China. While denouncing any agression against their notion of peace, the trend is to dominate every possible “niche” of society, be it an international science committee or a political issue. While, as an example, Japan’s TV is mostly sport, cooking or quiz oriented, on a visit to China 5 years ago, I was aware of the large amount of war movies on TV that should remind the viewers that “this” was not over, even if the new tactics are smiling with peace. In my hotel in Guangju, a show room offered items for sale, with among others an almost live-size bronze statue of a storming soldier. This probably reveals a degree of uncertainty at the government level. Social unrest in the form of strikes, significantly against foreign employers are another symptom of today’s China. There is no doubt that the blogosphere will reveal more of that in the near future.
Tariq Scherer
Paris, France
September 15th, 2010
10:27 am
It’s good to hear that democratic fervour, an interest by the populace in their state and their leaders, is finding a vibrant outlet to support it. But I can only hope that this online blogosphere is more responsible than our own early forays into the online unmoderated world: the case of the drudge report comes to mind or even our most recent ethical introspection over the wikileaks documents release.
We were fortunate enough, in both cases, to have a free press, with editorial standards and codes of ethics, to then take this online fervour and translate it into an ongoing researched, sourced, and ethical political debate. But are similar safeguards available in a control-state with a locked-down traditional media establishment?
Here’s to hoping it works for the best. China has so much to offer across its diaspora and its country. At the moment, the world is only getting to see a small thumbprint of the greater picture and it would be shame if this greater China doesn’t receive the exposure it so richly deserves.
Dan
California
September 15th, 2010
10:31 am
Hopefully the nationalistic tendencies Friedman describes will be counter-balanced by the fact that the younger generation in China is much more internationalized and educated than its parents in terms of knowing more about the world (including being more exposed to Western values and ideas), visiting other countries, learning English, conducting multi-national commerce, studying abroad, practicing capitalistic business, etc. With that comes pride and confidence, but also hopefully thoughtfulness, understanding, and some degree of rationality and moderation.
HelterSkelter
Toronto
September 15th, 2010
10:38 am
As long as China continues to grow and prosper it is unlikely to display its nationalism too broadly. The danger is when times get tough and people who are used to double digit economic growth get restless. They will start to blame the government for their troubles and the government in turn will need to blame parties outside of China. Then just wait.
At the risk of sounding like an alarmist, it’s just a matter of time before China asserts itself and then all bets are off. I for one plan on having my young infant learn Mandarin.
Penny Whites
Foxboro
September 15th, 2010
10:38 am
There is a decades old myth about the US-China economic relation: Without US consumers, Chinese economy would collapse?! It wouldn’t hurt to ask this question: can most America consumers afford relative expensive stuff Made in USA? Evidently not. The matter of fact is: vast majority US consumers can only afford cheap stuff in Wal-Mart, Kmart etc. Nobody force us to buy Chinese goods. We do it ourselves.
Patriotism rarely dictates consumer behavior, Economic does.
Aamy
Germany
September 15th, 2010
10:38 am
Are you kidding me? It’s really ironic that you think the Chinese government cares what their people say and think. If they want everyone eating ice cream, then it’s vanilla for everyone. America is no different, if you want everyone to consume oil you make huge vehicles and houses.
Each and every American has the ability to make purchasing decisions at home and at work. So let’s get it done and start buying American or at least buying from pro-American democracies. Where is the patriotism in buying a Chinese drill press or a Chinese pair of shoes? Where is the patriotism in buying a non-American car? Shame on those retail companies and consumers buying pants or shirts from Pakistan when those pants and shirts can be made in America. Our troops are coming back from war and the only jobs available for them are part-time, minimum wage jobs with no benefits. We are consuming our heritage and we are loosing the war to serve the global economy with quality American made products.
Narda
Thousand oaks
September 15th, 2010
10:38 am
Ever since China rattled about making a new currency, the cat was out of the bag. They can rattle on about the dangers of Capitalism as everyone can see that greedy CEO’s gave away the store, decimated the American supply chain, and now the American people have no place to work. However, the China engine hums as American CEOs salivate at the Chinese market which can never be theirs, because China won’t let them. With a planned economy and top down control, US can never compete as we have a messy democracy with no way for long range planning because our election change our government every two years. Wither goes the United States.
Stafford Smith
Seattle
September 15th, 2010
10:38 am
Instead of making people more tolerant and international in outlook, the electronic blogosphere tends to make us more narrowly tribal. We reach out into the network, but only to those who mirror our views. I wonder what Marshall McLuhan would have said about that.
SillyValley
CA
September 15th, 2010
10:44 am
The parallels between the rise of China and Germany are troubling. If/when their bubble pops and they have a serious economic slowdown, will China turn overtly fascist? This scenario is not as far-fetched as it may sound. China is de-facto fascist in many ways, if you look at the substance of what they’re doing rather than at their “communist” label. They’re one leadership change away from becoming a pretty nasty and aggressive neighbor.
moonwell23
Albany, NY
September 15th, 2010
10:45 am
American bloggers are totally full of themselves and their self-perceived influence, why shouldn’t China’s be? If the voice of the people spoke and nobody listened, did it make a sound?
Liu
Brazil
September 15th, 2010
10:45 am
If the unfiltered message from the ambassador were as the same tone of the majority of news published in the Western media outlets related to China, soon the West will find out that it´d be indifferent to have it filtered or not by the malign Chinese media.
kat
OH
September 15th, 2010
10:52 am
Your naivete knows no bounds.
Alex K.
San Diego, CA
September 15th, 2010
11:24 am
At moments like this, the people of the developed Western democracies, the ones who purchase so many PRC-manufactured goods, would do well to remember whose serene, bloated visage is printed on every paper denomination of RMB. Boycott the PRC!
glennvirt
nj
September 15th, 2010
12:49 pm
Mr. Friedman has this rather uncanny talent for talking about trees when he is lost in the forest. This is not a Chinese phenomena. Mass (or mob) democracy is sweeping the world. It is most organized in China for some reason but it certainly exists everywhere. The Tea Party is a child of this phenomena. The blogosphere in English seems far more jingoistic than the population at large (at least I hope so). Almost like it has become an outlet for the baser instincts of people which are often suppressed in ordinary face-to-face social intercourse.
I see old-style political institutions withering in the heat of massive social networking everywhere. If early experiences in China (such as the ability of Internet chat to ostracize and punish people in the real world without any sort of trial) are a clue to the future, civilization in general is in for a bumpy ride. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the accumulation of power in China and everything to do with the tidal wave of new social interactions that no one understands or has any remote idea of how to channel.
It almost seems as if all the norms of civilization that have been painfully accumulated over thousands of years are being swept away by this technological tsunami and that the human race is going to have to relearn how to communicate in positive ways, almost from scratch.
Michael D. Houst
Barrington, NH
September 15th, 2010
12:50 pm
Hu Yong is either deluded, or is just a mouth for the Chinese government with his comment of, “China for the first time has a public sphere to discuss everything affecting Chinese citizens,”. You can’t have government censorship on one hand and freedom of speech on the other. Which leads me to beleive that he’s just another chinese shill.
Yes, the West fears China as a threat to their economic power. They’ve just surpassed the U.S. in total energy consumption; and will likely pass the U.S. in GNP in the near future.
And unlike the U.S. and Western nations, China is not saddled with a background of Judeao-Christian inhibitions to “play-nice and share”.